Comments on: The Cease-Fire Deal and Life in Tbilisi http://www.venik4.com/2008/08/the-cease-fire-deal-and-life-in-tbilisi/ World politics: gripes, grumbles, and occasional analysis Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:55:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: anonymous http://www.venik4.com/2008/08/the-cease-fire-deal-and-life-in-tbilisi/comment-page-1/#comment-44 anonymous Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:43:27 +0000 http://www.venik4.com/?p=72#comment-44 I was just visiting a website of historical maps, http://www.davidrumsey.com/ and viewed some maps of the Caucuses going back to the 1400s. The boundaries for all ethno-national groups moved greatly over time, with some groups choosing to leave the region all together as Tsarist forces pushed ever southward against the various Turkic peoples. If the Ukraine is going to cry over the Crimea, then the Crimean Tartars have an even better case. At one time, the region where Georgia is was called Armenia; at one time it was part of Persia; at one time an Ottoman province; and so forth. The Russian state spread out and incorporated/annexed/colonized/? neighboring groups in a way quite similar to the Roman. The Romans Romanized their new provinces, and the Russians Russified theirs. The point is that Geeorgia isn't losing any territory it hasn't lost before. And given the country's poor economic state and the fact that it has few resources, it souldn't be wasting its money trying to subjugate neighbors not wanting to be subjugated. This is also the prime reason why Russia doesn't want to absorb Georgia again--it's much cheaper to let them do their own thing. karlof1 I was just visiting a website of historical maps, http://www.davidrumsey.com/ and viewed some maps of the Caucuses going back to the 1400s. The boundaries for all ethno-national groups moved greatly over time, with some groups choosing to leave the region all together as Tsarist forces pushed ever southward against the various Turkic peoples. If the Ukraine is going to cry over the Crimea, then the Crimean Tartars have an even better case. At one time, the region where Georgia is was called Armenia; at one time it was part of Persia; at one time an Ottoman province; and so forth. The Russian state spread out and incorporated/annexed/colonized/? neighboring groups in a way quite similar to the Roman. The Romans Romanized their new provinces, and the Russians Russified theirs.

The point is that Geeorgia isn’t losing any territory it hasn’t lost before. And given the country’s poor economic state and the fact that it has few resources, it souldn’t be wasting its money trying to subjugate neighbors not wanting to be subjugated. This is also the prime reason why Russia doesn’t want to absorb Georgia again–it’s much cheaper to let them do their own thing.

karlof1

]]> By: venik4 http://www.venik4.com/2008/08/the-cease-fire-deal-and-life-in-tbilisi/comment-page-1/#comment-43 venik4 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:33:49 +0000 http://www.venik4.com/?p=72#comment-43 By "unfortunate" you mean Georgian artillery killing hundreds of sleeping civilians in Tskhinvali? I agree, it was most inconvenient. As for Georgian territories, you would have to thank your president - whom you support - for making your small country even smaller. By “unfortunate” you mean Georgian artillery killing hundreds of sleeping civilians in Tskhinvali? I agree, it was most inconvenient. As for Georgian territories, you would have to thank your president – whom you support – for making your small country even smaller.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.venik4.com/2008/08/the-cease-fire-deal-and-life-in-tbilisi/comment-page-1/#comment-42 anonymous Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:37:17 +0000 http://www.venik4.com/?p=72#comment-42 I do support my president and it was unfortunate what happened. But even if it did not happen that way russian army would have found another way to attack georgia.(it is proved that russian attack was planned for a long time now) South OSethi and Abkhazia always belonged to georgia and there is no way that georgian peopel would ever agree to give it up. Those people who had to be fled from those regions in (Abkhazia and south osethia) now live in differnet places of georgia as refugees, and it was ethnic cleansing of georgian people. Russian tv and russian government are doing propaganda all the time and unfortuantely misleading its people and people from all over the world. I hope that peace will come and georgians gain their territories back. Take of your hands from georgian territories dampalo russians!!!!!!!!! I do support my president and it was unfortunate what happened. But even if it did not happen that way russian army would have found another way to attack georgia.(it is proved that russian attack was planned for a long time now) South OSethi and Abkhazia always belonged to georgia and there is no way that georgian peopel would ever agree to give it up. Those people who had to be fled from those regions in (Abkhazia and south osethia) now live in differnet places of georgia as refugees, and it was ethnic cleansing of georgian people. Russian tv and russian government are doing propaganda all the time and unfortuantely misleading its people and people from all over the world. I hope that peace will come and georgians gain their territories back. Take of your hands from georgian territories dampalo russians!!!!!!!!!

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